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Logical 101
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Posted - 2014.01.02 17:38:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Stealing or threatening to blow up required mission items is a safe and easy way to earn income as a pirate. Stealing and threatening to blow things up has always been a safe and easy way to earn income as a pirate.
Nerf Burger wrote:Remember what happened to miner ganking? No. Please regale us with these takes of yore. |

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Posted - 2014.01.02 18:12:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:What does allowing people to screw with you in high sec missions, with zero risk and zero cost, bring to the game? An incredible sense of risk and the potential for catastrophic loss, just as it is with every other aspect of this wonderful game, which doesn't pander to people who want the warm blanket of safety wrapped around them at all times.
This is what EVE is. Either accept it, or go elsewhere. Seriously. |

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Posted - 2014.01.02 18:33:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:EVE is a game of skullduggery. If you want to be safe and left alone, dock up You would think after 10 years of this reality that people would have woken up to it and would stop whining like little bitches every time their carebearing gets **** on by someone.
It is impossible to drive home the point to some people that the environment here is meant to be brutal, competitive and, at times, downright unfair. They just can't process it. They want their game, not EVE.
And frankly, I am disappointed that people indulge them these days. "Sociopaths". Yes, we're all a bunch of sociopaths, but at least we know what we're doing. So we're competent sociopaths.
And that's good enough for me. |

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Posted - 2014.01.02 19:00:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Many players in this game will not "play" the game unless the deck is mercilessly stacked in their favor. There is a difference between bravery and idiocy. Engaging a gang that can clearly wipe you out because it has a format that you can't counter, either mathematically or tactically, is a dumb idea. Engaging a larger but structurally weaker force is a show of good decision making on your part. This is nothing to do, however, with the topic at hand.
Carmen Electra wrote:What's being described in this thread I think easily qualifies as being "griefing" even if it is "legitimate". If by "legitimate" you mean "not against the rules", then there is no debate to be had. If you are unable to learn and compensate for grief tactics, then the failing is ultimately yours, as it has always been. |

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Posted - 2014.01.02 19:08:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense
Carmen Electra wrote:Why does everything have to be about "fail" and it's opposite? It's a game for crying out loud. And a damn good one, because it does not pander to the lowest common gaming denominator.
Again, if you fail to recognize the nature of your environment, you are doomed to lament your lack of success therein.
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Posted - 2014.01.02 19:19:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:The things you tell yourself seriously makes me laugh.  Your thread has produced more than a few chuckles thus far.
PS - Your head is too small for those sunglasses. |

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Posted - 2014.01.02 19:25:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Try not to be so obviously mad and maybe someone will take you seriously if you ever come up with a decent argument. An excellent retort.
And I like how you greased over the multitude of decent arguments presented.
Revisionism is a wonderful thing, isn't it?
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Posted - 2014.01.02 19:28:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Try harder with your hair slicing Pipa. You are pathetic. Try not to be so obviously mad. |

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Posted - 2014.01.02 19:49:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:I'm just trying to draw attention to the hypocrisy and double standard promoted by many our more "hardcore" players. These people lecture carebears on risk, implying that they're brave risk takers themselves. In reality, many of these same players have learned to be "successful" by consistently putting nearly NOTHING on the line. Conversely, constantly putting T2 ships and capitals on the line for the sake of good fights and good times has a tendency to harden you up in such a way that the gripes of carebears become an irksome and tiresome "fingernails on the chalkboard" annoyance that doesn't go down particularly well. The only double standard here is the expectation of safety in an environment geared specifically to be unsafe, regardless of what you do.
The inability to accept this and compensate for it speaks ultimately to a certain level of intellectual bankruptcy; an inability to accept that there are a million and one games out there where such gripes would be welcomed and accepted and even acted upon, whereas here they are seen as challenges to a long-established and well-loved status quo. |

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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:26:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:It's pure crazy to me, people jump on me when I tell people like this that the problem isn't EVE it's them, but that's just how I see it. Everyone is subject to their own perspective, but often these perspectives do not take into account stark realities. As we have seen in this thread, there is a genuine (yes, genuine) section of EVE's player base that are (and have always been) unhappy with what they perceive to be the "exploitability" of this game's most basic principle, which is that there is no such thing as a "safe" environment other than being in a station and doing literally nothing. A friend lost a nice, fat mission ship last night. Did he cry about it? No. He got ganked. **** happens. That's EVE. Piracy, double-crossing, lying, murder, it's all par for the course here. And yet, we still have all these people pretending that they're playing a different game which is somehow broken. Crushing people isn't just made possible by the game's mechanics, rather, it is (to a degree) encouraged. And those who are victimized are likewise encouraged to compensate.
Nerf Burger wrote:This game would be dead if it weren't for high-sec. If this is the best you've got, I'd check out now. |
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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:35:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Is that the best you've got? Feel free to chime in with something intelligent whenever you're up to it.
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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:41:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:They actually think this is a game where sheep are meant to be lined up to slaughter for them at the click of a button. If you act like sheep, yes, prepare to be converted into lamb chops. |

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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:55:00 -
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Carnaby Wakefield wrote:PVP v PVP, one side gets advantage from clever tactics they call it a Exploit Your lack of understanding is showing.
PvP theorycrafting in EVE is entirely based on the premise that new fleet concepts are constantly being developed, and those new concepts are thereafter challenged by other concepts designed specifically to counter them.
This is how 10 years of PvP has been conducted in EVE.
And please, pray tell, regale me with the vast creativity involved in running missions and hauling. |

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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:59:00 -
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Carnaby Wakefield wrote:half this board is made of whine posts by aliiances about pvp and pvp mechanics. As it has always been, with either PvP or PvE, the whiners are the least loved of all.
They are, however, a vocal and useless minority who are generally (and rightfully) told to HTFU. |

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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:02:00 -
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Carnaby Wakefield wrote:how is scanning down a deadspace site in high sec outplaying someone? How is getting caught any better?
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:17:00 -
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Carnaby Wakefield wrote:Seems to me you just have a chip on your shoulder about people making Isk from anything in high sec. I'm pretty sure the "chip" here is the whining about dying in EVE.
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:31:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:What you continually ignore is the balance. When you can do it in high sec, the outcome will never be harsh for the pirate, it can only harsh for the mission runner. Do you still not see how this is imbalanced?
You see, like a simpleton, you can only see this from one perspective, and the imbalance is ignored. And like a simpleton, you can't seem to process that there is no balance.
This game is what we make of it, not what CCP holds our hands through.
High sec is not secure. It never was. |

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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:37:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:A shining example of a CSM He really is, isn't he?
He went out and did something in this game beyond dying and crying about it. |

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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:56:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:And you are crying about perceived crying. What does that make you?. BTW, nobody died. You get it wrong a lot, don't you? Try coming up with a decent argument or GTFO this discussion before you embarrass yourself further, kid. Again, try not to be so obviously mad.
All you have demonstrated is an inability to grasp the basic concept that what makes EVE the great game that it was and has become is the endless angle shooting available to its players.
Your mission got ransomed I believe? Your item got snagged? You got tossed?
So grow some balls and try again, only this time take what you learned and try to apply it in order to boost your chances of succeeding in the future. Piracy, whether null sec, low sec or high sec, is a fundamental component of this game. Players drive the action. Players screw one another over. Players find ways to exploit your infinite gullibility.
Again, your inability to wake up and smell these lovely roses is why you fail. And it is why you are here, butthurt that your safety and success have been compromised by someone who knows how to twist you up. |

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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:13:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:brought friends People who spend all day running missions and are surprised when people ruin their fun with their cruel exploits and general meanness don't have friends in EVE, otherwise those friends would have figuratively slapped them upside the head, scolded them for their lack of foresight, and demanded to know a) why they weren't invited, and b) why all the tears. |
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:40:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:And why should one sociopathic loser be able to cause you that much trouble in high sec anyway? ...
Because girls just wanna have fun?
Nerf Burger wrote:Don't you clowns have a single decent argument? Obviously not, so why keep slamming your head against this particularly hard wall?
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:42:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Logical 101 wrote:Because girls just wanna have fun?
FITE ME IRL GRRR FISTICUFFS |

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Posted - 2014.01.03 17:19:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough in this thread already with that clearly flawed thinking? I really wouldn't be surprised at all if you voted to re-elect Bush. You were doing well. Yes, you were trolling, but you generated a great conversation here.
Don't spoil it with obvious, pejorative non sequiturs. |
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